My Two Cents. I found this quote online as I do not feel confident enough to pontificate on my Guru Maharaja's teachings. I believe you will find more of this type of instruction in his book, "Subjective Evolution of Consciousness," by Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Maharaja. It pertains to Vedic knowledge which clearly defines that consciousness of the jiva soul resides in all cells of the body. Thanks. I believe that anyone can see life in everything... if only they have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the heart to respond. I believe that there are 5 distinct parts to any and every object in this universe and they are as follows: 1) Name (nama) 2) Form (rupa) 3) Consciousness (sat) 4) Knowledge (chit) 5) Bliss (ananda) The first two are illusory, whilst the remaining three aren't. Furthermore, the Indian saint Srila Sridhar Maharaja believes that everything has some personality or character to it due to the all-pervading nature of consciousness. This is an excerpt of a conversation he once had with a scientist: Srila Sridhar Maharaja: Everything has its representation in the original, personal, conscious, spiritual reality. Otherwise, there is no possibility of its being reflected into this plane as matter. First there is consciousness and then when it is in a more gross condition, it appears to be matter. In the study of ontology it is taught that when studying a particular thing, although we can know that it has certain attributes to the eye, and that it appears to the ear in a particular way, these are all appearances. Independent of appearances, the ontological aspect of a thing – what it is, the reality of a thing – is unknown and unknowable. My contention is that when consciousness is going to feel non-conscious matter it will have to pass through a conscious area to meet the material object. So the full perception of that material thing cannot but be conscious; and consciousness always indicates person. First there is conception and then the material idea. The conscious world is very near and the material world is very far off. Therefore the great Rishis, whose thinking is highly developed, address whatever they find within the environment as if they are all persons. In the Vedas, the ancient scriptural literature of India, we find that the saints and sages are always in the midst of so many persons; in the background everything is a person. Links: http://hauntedtavern.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=other&action=print&thread=1949 http://www.lotusroom.org/books/Subjective.Evolution.pdf It makes sense to me that consciousness is the driving force. Respectfully, Krsna Kanti dd --- On Mon, 5/24/10, M. R. N. Murthy From: M. R. N. Murthy Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Chemical Origin of Life To: online_sadhu_sanga@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:20 PM Dear Kaviraj, Please do avoid sarcasm (lopsided?). Such remarks are not in the true academic spirit. Tammaiah lopsact, or maybe better lopsided? You take the scaffolding to be the building. What you are saying is that the scaffold makes the building, but in fact it is made by the builders. So also, DNA does not make life. Without the builder - the soul - nothing like life can ever emerge. If you throw two chemicals together they also can have reactions and form new compounds. Does that make them living? Not at all. Kaviraj.________________________________ From: [lopsact] lopsact@gmail.com To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, 24 May, 2010 14:17:31 Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] Chemical Origin of Life Dear All, Ever heard about the Ribozyme hypothesis? RNA can spontaneously form in a prebiotic environment and self-replicate. Not only that, it can self-replicate with mutations, and those mutations can give survival advantage/disadvantage. Hence, it has all that it requires to evolve. 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