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Bhumi Puja @ ISKCON Salem, Tamil Nadu, South India
"Cats,Dogs,Camels,Goats & Madmen"
January 3, 1974
Prabhupada: ...is that nrpa-linga-dharam sudram. The sudras, fourth-class men, they are on the government executive. This is one defect. And another defect is ghnantam go-mithunam pada, maintaining large-scale slaughterhouse. These are the two defects of modern civilization. They..., on the top of government there are sudras, not ksatriyas. Neither they are guided by intelligent class, brahmanas. Pariksit Maharaja's first beginning is dvija-varya-siksaya. The guidance was first-class brahmanas, and he was a ksatriya, first-class. And there was no animal slaughterhouse. They are also suffering. They are bringing every day some problem. "What is the solution of this problem, what is this solution...?" But why the problems are coming? Because the defect is there that the, on the head of the government there are sudras and they are busy in cow-killing, maintaining slaughterhouse. This is the defect. And they are not guided by the first-class, intelligent class of men. [break] Prajapati: ...getting worse over these five thousand years, but by a reintroduction, reintroducing Krsna consciousness, the tide can be turned in age of Kali? Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That is the only remedy. That is the only remedy. Anyone who takes to this chanting of Hare Krsna mantra, he'll be cleansed of all sinful activities and then everything will come out nice. And it is practical. It is not story. Just see, all our disciples in Europe, America, they were habituated to so many bad habits, and because they are chanting, they are now cleansed. So it is small-scale. If you propagate it large-scale, everyone will be cleansed. [break] ...disciples who were trained up from very beginning of their life: meat-eating. They are giving meat-eating. Here in your country, small children, they are fed with meat-powder. Intoxication is also a daily affair. How they are giving up all intoxication? [break] Is there arrangement for... Where is Karandhara? Karandhara: Jaya, Prabhupada. Prabhupada: That placard, poster? Karandhara: Prajapati and I discussed it yesterday and we're trying to find an artist to do it. Prajapati: Nara-narayana Prabhu's good wife is expert artist. Prabhupada: Ah. Prajapati: And she has... I guess she has agreed to... Nara-narayana: Yes. Prabhupada: Yes, she is very nice, good artist. Give her engagement like this. Prajapati: Maybe you could explain us a little more detail of the... Prabhupada: No, with very much detail it will be cumbrous. You... Symbolic representation. Prajapati: Those three figures in the center? Prabhupada: Yes. Prajapati: One is a devotee, one is a... Prabhupada: No, everyone is devotee. Prajapati: Yes, they are all three devotees. Prabhupada: But they're engaged in three departments. Karandhara: We were thinking for the administrator there could be a judge. Prabhupada: Ah. Karandhara: Could be a judge, a high-court judge. Prabhupada: Yes. That means administrator. Karandhara: Yes. The other one could be the president. Prabhupada: Yes, president also administrator. No, one is in the religious order. That is also required. But here we see, persons who are in religious order, they're also addicted to these four sinful, four sinful life. And he's presenting himself as religious. Karandhara: On the one should we depict meat-eating or animal slaughter? Prabhupada: Eh? Karandhara: Should we depict animal-slaughter or meat-eating? Prabhupada: Animal slaughter. Karandhara: Animal slaughter. Prabhupada: That will be still broader. Karandhara: Yes. Prabhupada: The three figures and one is in a suit, one... They all have tilaka, neck beads and bead bag... Prabhupada: Religious man may be in saffron color, a sannyasi, a tridandi sannyasi. Our Gurukrpa Maharaja? Where is he? Karandhara: Gurukrpa Maharaja. Prabhupada: Eh? Here are religious men. Nara-narayana: Oh! (laughter) Jaya! Prajapati: How will we distinguish between the other two men? They'll both be in suits. Prabhupada: Eh? Karandhara: Well, the one man, the president, will be behind the presidential podium, presidential seal. In the front. And the other man would be a high-court judge with... Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Karandhara: ...with black robes on. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Nara-narayana: With a, two balls. Prabhupada: Make nicely this picture. Short-cut, at the same time very convincing. [break] Yes? New Devotee: I'm very new to this Krsna conscious movement and I'm not as firm as your devotees. Right now I'm being torn in half. Maya is so strong and I see so much of what you say. Is there... Prabhupada: What is this? New Devotee: Doubts. Prabhupada: What is your doubt? New Devotee: Mental speculation. Prabhupada: So you want to continue it or stop it? New Devotee: Stop it. Prabhupada: Then stop it. Take instruction from the sastra. Don't speculate. That will not help you. The same example, a child's speculation, "Who is my father?" He will never be successful. But as soon as he asks his mother, "Who is my father?" Immediately knowledge: "Here is your father." Finished. New Devotee: Association is very important. Prabhupada: Eh? New Devotee: Association. Prabhupada: Yes. One has to take information from the authority. That knowledge is perfect. And these rascals, philosophical, scientific speculation, all useless waste of time. New Devotee: I live in Long Beach and I will be going to school soon, but I'm... Prabhupada: Hm. We don't accept any speculative knowledge. We want final conclusion of the experienced person. Nrpa-nirnitah, this word is used. Nrpa-nirnitah, it is concluded. Kavibhir nirupitah. Idam hi pumsas srutas..., tapasah srutasya va. Avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupitah. Nirnitah... These words are... It is already concluded. There is no question of argument. In the Vedic literature, these words are used, nrpa-nirnitah, nirupitah. New Devotee: I should abandon... Prabhupada: Nasato vidyate bhavo na..., asatah vidyate bhavah. What is the next line? So, we take things which is conclusive. The scientists, they are making experiment, where is the beginning of life. Misled. They are thinking life is from matter. They have no experience. Still, the rascal Darwin gave a theory. They are persisting on it. They have no practical experience that life is coming from matter. That is called vrscika-tandula-nyaya. You have no experience in your country. We have got. Sometimes you'll find, scorpion is coming out from the stack of rice. You have seen it? Karandhara: I haven't seen it, but I have heard of the example. Prabhupada: Yes. So they are thinking the rice is..., rice is producing the scorpion. It is called tandula-vrscika-nyaya. But rice cannot produce a life. The real fact is a scorpion lays down the egg within the rice, and by the fermentation it comes out. Just eggs. And the small creature comes out. And foolish creatures, they think it that the rice is producing scorpion. That is not possible. So they are putting forward this evolution theory that man is coming from monkey, but no monkey is producing a man. Nobody has seen. There are so many things. They put forward some theory, but it is not fact. New Devotee: The quickest way to knowledge... Prabhupada: Quickest way to knowledge... That I told you; take the knowledge from the authority. The example I have already given that you cannot make research, search out who is your father. But if you go to the authority, mother, immediately you understand. This is the quickest way. New Devotee: The thing that's tearing me apart is, um... Prabhupada: But just try to understand this. The principle is that if you receive knowledge from the real authority, that is perfect and quick. And if with your imperfect senses you want to acquire knowledge by searching out, it will never be successful. The modern method is to search out the truth by their imperfect senses. All these scientists, philosophers, they are doing that. They admit that their senses are imperfect. Still, they are trying to go to the perfect by the imperfect senses. This is their defect. They are hoping that "Our imperfectness will be perfect by this research work." That is not possible. Imperfectness will remain ever imperfect. Prajapati: They glorify such imperfections, Srila Prabhupada, by saying... Prabhupada: Unless they glorify their imperfection, how they can stand? (laughter) They have no standing. If they do not glorify, then they are proved rascals. There will be no argument. They'll have to accept that "we are rascals." Therefore they have to glorify. The glorifying society... That is mentioned in the Bhagavata. The glorifying society is consisting of ass, camel, hog, and what is the other? Devotees: Dog. Prabhupada: Dog. So we... sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh [SB 2.3.19]. They are all ass, camels, dogs, like that and they are praising each other. "Oh, you have discovered this. Oh, how nice you are. (laughter) How nice you are." But we understand the praiser and the praised, both are dogs and cats. That's all. So we don't give any benefit. It is a mutual praising society of cats and dogs, so we don't give any benefit. Now, they can also accuse us in the same way, that "You are also the society of cats and dog, mutual praising society." So... Now, who will judge whether they are right or we are right? Who will judge? Eh? There must be some judgement. Everyone will say that "I am right." But who judges? There must be a judge, that through both side the lawyers is fighting, that "My case is right." Then who will give judgement? There must be one judge. So who is that judge? Prajapati: sastra, guru, sadhu. Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That is the judge. Therefore we quote from Vedic literatures. As soon as we speak something, immediately quote Vedic literature. That is the way. Karandhara: The trouble is there are so many phony gurus and sastras. Prabhupada: Eh? Karandhara: There are so many misrepresentations. Prabhupada: Because their folly is... They therefore do not take authority. Otherwise they'll be exposed. Yes. sastra-caksusa. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah [Bg. 16.23]. These are the injunctions. (dog barks) Yes, come on. We have got your punishment. So there is an argument: pala bonatu hoya (?). "I'm not afraid of you. Although I'm, I'm going away, I'm not afraid of you. (laughter) Don't think that I am afraid of you." This is dog business. They'll go, "gow!" and go away, go away. They'll not come forward. Come on. (laughter) [break] Well, our every day is a New Year. Nava-navayauvana. Our Krsna consciousness is so nice, the more you advance, you see new year, new year. That's all. Nothing is old. People are seeing that they are simply chanting the old slogan, Hare Krsna. Devotee: Hare Krsna. Prabhupada: But we are feeling new pleasure in every moment. Take any other chanting, you cannot chant more than few hours. But the Hare Krsna mantra we can chant perpetually. So unless there is new enlightenment, how we can do that? [break] You can preach here, and then we are starting on the..., by the fourteenth. We shall go together to India. Is that all right? What do you think? Karandhara: Are you bringing your boys over there? Prabhupada: Eh? Gurukrpa: They're going separate. Karandhara: Oh. Gurukrpa: If we go the other way it's cheaper. Prabhupada: Which way? Karandhara: Through New York. Prabhupada: [break] I cannot go there. You see? As if three hundred miles away. Gurukrpa: [break] We saw from the plane. Prabhupada: Eh? Gurukrpa: Forty-five minutes on the plane from Miami we saw the comet. Yasodanandana: It was there for forty-five minutes. Prabhupada: Yes, a bad sign... Yasodanandana: As big as the sky. Prabhupada: How big? Yasodanandana: Big as the sky. It was flashing for forty-five minutes, this big... Gurukrpa: Flashing in horizontal directions. Devotee: The four or five first flashes were very, very big and regularly every thirty seconds it was big flash, bigger than lightning, brighter, very bright. Gurukrpa: Very brilliant. Prabhupada: One part like this? Gurukrpa: Yes, very fast. Devotee: Across the sky, shooot, shooot, shooot. Very fast. Gurukrpa: About forty-five min..., we..., it was still going but the plane passed it and it stayed behind. Prabhupada: Uh, so, this is a bad sign. Constellation. According to astronomical calculations. Therefore we, we follow the astrology according to the constellation. The child born, everything has connection, the constellation of the star has influence on the child. So therefore the horoscope-maker takes the calculation of the constellation and then calculate what is his future. This dhumaketu is described in Dasavatara-stotra, dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. Dhumaketum iva. Dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. As soon as there is comet, there will be some disaster. Very great disaster. In our childhood we saw the comet, not this like. That was small comet. Still, the first world war was there declared. That we have seen in 1914. Nara-narayana: Halley's comet. Prabhupada: Eh? Nara-narayana: I think they called it Halley's comet. Halley's comet. Prabhupada: Now the... You can expect at any moment disaster in this material world, but the comet is the sign that there will be some great disaster. It is... This material world, in every step there is disaster. Padam padam yad vipadam [SB 10.14.58]. But those who have taken shelter of Krsna, the disaster is not meant for them. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam. Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. So how big it is? Gurukrpa: Very big. Prabhupada: Eh? Gurukrpa: It was very spectacular. Something like twenty miles. Prabhupada: Twenty miles? Yasodanandana: Maybe at least fifty, sixty miles the four, five first flashes, very big. Let's see. From this tree all the way to the end of this tennis court, all over the sky. Big white flashings. Like big huge incredible lightning. Then afterwards it decreased, and then regularly, every thirty, forty-five seconds, there was big lightning. Not lightning, big flashes. Very uncommon. Jayatirtha: The scientists say that it's eighty-three million miles long... Prabhupada: Eh? Jayatirtha: The scientists, they say that it's 83 million miles long, the comet. Prabhupada: 83 miles? Jayatirtha: 83 million miles. Karandhara: The tail. Prabhupada: Eh? Karandhara: The tail is 83 million miles. It's going fast, very forward, so it's emitting a tail of gases. Prabhupada: So who is supplying the gas? (laughter) The Arabians? Jayatirtha: There's no shortage. Gurukrpa: When it comes to doing the kirtana, there's no energy shortage for us. We have unlimited stock. Prabhupada: By presence of the comet, the atmosphere is also polluted. Last time, what I saw, it was like this. Round and then tail. It is like that? Gurukrpa: No. Prabhupada: No. Gurukrpa: A long streak. It was behind the clouds. There were many clouds, and you could see it through the clouds. Prabhupada: What is the speed? If it is 83 million miles, very heavy thing, then the speed must be also. Karandhara: Well, the speed is very great. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's millions of miles per hour. Perhaps not millions of miles. Hundreds of thousands of miles per hour. Prajapati: There must be living entities then on the comet. Yes, Srila Prabhupada? Prabhupada: Oh yes. Everywhere there are living entities. Jayatirtha: Scientists are very excited about the comet because they think that it's made of the primordial substance of the universe and they think they'll be able to find out some clue how the solar system was created by examining the comet with their telescopes. (laughter) Prabhupada: Let them talk all nonsense. We say in Bengali, pagale ki na bole, chagale ki na khaya. The goat can eat everything, and a madman can speak anything. (laughter) Pagale ki na khaya..., pagale ki na bole, chagale ki na khaya. Prajapati: Are the living entities on the comet, are they very demoniac or intelligent or...? Prabhupada: Not necessarily demoniac. Two classes of men are always there: intelligent and demon. [break] Karandhara: ...comet. They just discovered it one or two years ago. They said that if it ever passed by the earth before, it was the time of the dinosaurs. Prabhupada: Dinosaur? Karandhara: Yes. Over fifty thousand years ago. Prabhupada: (chuckles) He cannot say what happened yesterday, and he's speaking fifty thousand years. Is there a statement in any sastra or his own statement? Karandhara: No, that's by mathematical calculation of the trajectory and speed. Prabhupada: Oh, mathematics... Karandhara: It's going at a certain speed in a certain orbit. So they calculate that it would complete that orbit once every fifty to two hundred thousand years. Prabhupada: That is there in astrology, astronomy. That is not discovery. Karandhara: No, actually, one scientist just looked at a telescope and saw it coming. And that's what they call discovery. And of course, he got the comet named after him. Prabhupada: Who? Karandhara: The scientist. His name was Kahotek. So he discovered it. So the comet is named after him. Prabhupada: And if it is mentioned elsewhere? Karandhara: I'm sure he'll want to keep his claim. Prabhupada: Eh? Karandhara: I'm sure he'll want to keep his claim. Prabhupada: No, if... In some astrological book, if it is mentioned there? Karandhara: Scientists probably won't accept it. They think if they don't discover it, then it's not bona fide. Prajapati: Unless one of them discovers it in the book. Karandhara: Ah. Yes. Prabhupada: Ah? Prajapati: If one of them discovers it in the sastras, then, oh, they'll... Karandhara: They say they've looked through all the old books and the old records and they haven't found any mention of it. Prabhupada: I think in the Indian astronomical calendar there must be mention. Nara-narayana: [break] ...effect of comet? Prabhupada: No, generally we know when there is comet, there is very bad effect. Prajapati: The comet doesn't really bring the bad effect. It simply is a symptom. Is that it? Prabhupada: Eh? Prajapati: The comet doesn't bring the bad effect, it is a symptom. Prabhupada: No, yes, bring, bring. Prajapati: It does bring it. Prabhupada: Yes. Prajapati: Does such a comet affect consciousness as well as matter? Prabhupada: Eh? Comet is just like a planet. It is a vehicle carrying so many conscious beings. It is just like if some policeman all of a sudden comes before us, it is to be supposed that someone is criminal, he's searching. Like that. (end) >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- January 3, 1974, Los Angeles
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