18 September 2005Definition of an AvatarA proper way to analyse the SB phantasmagoria is to present a proper definition of an avatar so that it becomes easier to see if SB fits within such parameters. For now, we'll lay aside the question of whether an avatar is unlimited and is therefore not bound by the strictures of mortals. Recently on the discussion boards a quote from a Kriya Yoga organisation was supplied by an SB adherent in support of their contention that an avatar is susceptible to material miseries and the like. Here is the supplied quote in full: "The title Avatar describes a fully freed soul incarnating directly from God on this physical planet or elsewhere. An Avatar fulfills a highly spiritual task in the name of God and returns to God after accomplishing his task. His Love for God and his creation is beyond description and imagination, his faith in God absolute as there is no difference between an Avatar and God." We should also not here that the (generous) definition supplied by the Sai Organisation is as follows: "An incarnation of God, taking a form according to the age in which the incarnation occurs. Special manifestation of God on Earth." Elsewhere in Sai literature we note that an avatar is described as "an incarnation of God in human form". It is this very humanity of the avatar that we shall seek to discuss. At the outset, we can observe the obvious conflict(s) in the two definitions provided by the above-mentioned organisations. The former definition appears to be unclear about the ontological status of an avatar and seems to be confused as to whether an avatar is actually God or "someone else"with faith in God. In short, the former definition appears to posit a duality. The latter definition by the Sai Organisation at least is clear on the matter of the avatar's inherent divinity. The qualifying statement referring to taking a form according to the age is a curious one, and I cautiously assume that whoever made this definition has done his homework and is referring to Bhagavata Purana 10. 8.13, or would that be too much of a high expectation? But at least we are clear than an avatar is indeed a "special manifestation of God on earth", even if they do say that He comes in a human form. One of the most disturbing things that Sai Baba has said follows thus: "The Avatar behaves in a human way so that mankind can feel kinship with Him, but rises to His super-human heights so that mankind can aspire to reach those heights." By itself it seems reasonable for an avatar to behave in a human way in order to foster friendly relations with mortals, but the dangerous conclusion of believing that the avatar actually is a human and suffering the similar tribulations of a human due to being possessed of a human body is widely prevalent among SB devotees. Not only is it demeaning to suggest such a thing but it is as palpably ridiculous as assuming that a prison governor becomes a prisoner when entering the prison for the purpose of inspection! The SB adherent who contributed the Kriya Yoga definition (LDW) offered this as the conclusion that she made from that quote:
This makes no sense whatsoever. The appearance of an avatar in the form of an animal or whatever is immaterial since Hindu mythology records such appearances in the form of a fish (Matsya), tortoise (Kurma), and so on. It is widely accepted among devotional scholars that each avatar is a manifestation of God in His fullness, possessing the total range of His powers even if not they are not exhibited or not required to do so. The Dvaita/Tattvavada school of philosophy has made a rigorous analysis of this. As far as I am aware, the school of Sri Vaishnavism (codified by Ramanujacharya) also believes this. Manifestation of an "aspect" is a status that is reserved for minor empowerments of special souls such as Jesus Christ, Buddha, Prophet Muhummad, Guru Nanak, etc. LDW further contributed:
And considering that this was an interpretation of the Kriya Yoga definition, trying to make sense of this would be beyond human ken. Not only is it so painfully self-contradictory but it betrays a deep-seated ignorance as well. How exactly is it possible for a human to incarnated as an "embodiment of divinity"? And within the same breath it is declared that Krishna is God in human form? The adherent would do well to make up her mind; is Krishna God or a mortal human? For devotees of Krishna, the answer is abundantly clear. The premise that since "God comes down to the earthly level He must take a human body" is false and misguided. I can guarantee that anybody who says this would not be able to submit even one scriptural quote in support of this argument. Rather, it is stated everywhere that God (even avatars) have a "body" that is made of pure sac-cid-ananda. It is not a material form at all, it is just pure spiritual substance. Yes, it looks like a human body (providing that the avatar has taken a humanlike form) in which case it would be more correct to say that the avatar is humanlike, not human. It is quite sad how SB devotees justify every one of SB's illnesses by claiming that he suffers such because he is either taking it on himself on somebody's behalf, or he is just pretending to act like a human in order for mankind to "feel kinship with him". Little do they realise that because Sai Baba is not an avatar, every disease that he suffers is real. Every stone that he treads underfoot hurts. Every hair on his head is vulnerable, and he is just as mortal as the rest of us. He has been blind in one eye for so many years and has undergone several hip operations; all of this cannot be written off as "leela". This is precisely the kind of institutional blasphemy that is inculcated by SB and his org. To get back to the matter at hand, I find it just typical how SB devotees exhibit their spiritual ignorance by doing what they are most famous for and grabbing at any definition of a subject and following it as if it is inviolable spiritual truth. LDW has done this by ignoring the usual definition of an avatar as given even in SB circles, and has opted to draw her conclusions from the Kriya Yoga definition instead. So that is what we will analyse: "The title Avatar describes a fully freed soul incarnating directly from God on this physical planet or elsewhere. An Avatar fulfills a highly spiritual task in the name of God and returns to God after accomplishing his task. His Love for God and his creation is beyond description and imagination, his faith in God absolute as there is no difference between an Avatar and God." I feel that I must wonder where the KY people get the idea than an avatar is a soul, albeit "fully freed"? In this regard I feel that I must present an argument that was originally quoted by Sri Madhvacharya, the founder of the Dvaita/Tattvavada school of Vedanta philosophy. In his rigorous analysis and exegesis, Madhvacharya quoted the Paramopanishad as scriptural evidence for one of his key concepts: "The difference between the jIva (soul) and Izvara (Creator), and the difference between jaDa (insentient) and Isvara; and the difference between various jIvas, and the difference between jaDa and jIva; and the difference between various jaDas, these five differences make up the universe." It remains only for SB devotees to think carefully about the spiritual conclusions that they draw from dubious sources, as placing your entire faith on a shaky basis does not bode well for the future. I can only repeat that what I have said in the past, that it is up to the SB devotees to educate themselves and familiarise themselves with the vast body of scriptures available in order to attempt to have some understanding of God, which would also be Sai Baba's advice. As for the proper definition and function of an avatar, the clear answer has been given by Krishna Himself: Ajo 'pi sann avyayAtma bhUtAnAm izvaro 'pi san prakRtiM svAm adhiSThAya sambhavAmy Atma-mAyayA "Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the Lord of all living entities, I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form." yadA yadA hi dharmasya glAnir bhavati bhAratha abhyutthAnam adharmasya tadAtmAnaM sRjAmy aham "Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion, at that time I descend Myself." - Bhagavad-gita 4. 6-7 Return To Main Page 2 Comments:
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     En Andhra Pradesh, en 1926, nació Sai Baba. Desde niño mostró virtudes de compasión, bondad, amor y rectitud, transformándose en el gurú espiritual de su pueblo. Empezó a ser considerado un avatar o reencarnación de Dios cuya misión era nada menos que reunir a las grandes religiones del mundo bajo un mensaje de amor.
Se dice que Sai Baba tiene poderes más allá de la comprensión humana, incluso científica. La percepción extra sensorial sería uno de ellos, y, al igual que hizo Jesucristo, sus devotos afirman que ha resucitado muertos, multiplicado panes, materializado objetos y que incluso tiene el don de la omnipresencia. Muchas de estas manifestaciones se han producido ante numerosos testigos y se han registrado en documentales. Muchos relatos de testigos y de personas que se han beneficiado de los poderes de Sai Baba con curaciones y otras bondades por circulan en Internet y son materia de debate entre los escépticos que consideran que son simples trucos bien elaborados. Sin embargo, independientemente de si se crea o no en Sai Baba, la mayoría de las personas que están interesadas en fenómenos psíquicos y su estudio han oído ya hablar de Sai Baba.
Con sus seguidores, ha creado Centros Sai en la India y alrededor del mundo. Lugares de meditación donde las personas desarrollan su propia fe. Algunas de sus funciones son el servicio desinteresado al prójimo, los círculos de estudio, la meditación y la educación en valores humanos. Sus miembros provienen de todas las clases sociales y pertenecen a diversos credos y culturas. Estos Centros Sai han sido con frecuencia el núcleo de la fundación de colegios, escuelas, universidades y hospitales. La India se ha beneficiado enormemente de la labor social que realiza tanto el como sus seguidores, sin costo alguno, desde hospitales hasta obras de agua potable, siendo incluso reconocido por el gobierno. Realmente, más allá de los actos que realiza o si son estos milagrosos, la importancia de Sai Baba radica en el mensaje que predica. Una frase suya dice “El hombre ha sido puesto sobre la tierra para que descubra la verdad de que el hombre no es hombre sino que en realidad es Dios… cuando el hombre descubra la verdad, entonces podrá reposar tranquilo, con toda propiedad, en paz consigo mismo”. Sugiere además que el amor incondicional es el requisito necesario para que el ser humano evolucione y se transforme en un ser divino. Tags: gurú, Religión, Sai Baba, sociedad de la india, sociedad hinduArtículos relacionados 10 Comentarios en “Sai Baba y su legado en la India”
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Baba es el mas hermoso guia que ha venido a ensenarnos lo valiosos que somos ,para Dios Ñ pero siempre con nuestra forma de ser diabolica lastimamos a los que nos quieren ayudar a salir de esta rueda de ir y venir a este planeta dual ,gobernado por la maldad .